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Mensagem por Urubu Rei » 05 Ago 2015 18:54

Jase Robertson escreveu:
1º negrito - Errado, caça legal e bem regulamentada não faz com que especies declinem seus números, pelo contrário.

EX:. A Africa do sul tinha em média 575.000 animais selvagens(wild games) em seu território em 1964, hoje as populações beiram os 19 milhões. Já o Quênia perdeu cerca de 85% de seus animais selvagens desde que baniu a caça nos anos 1970.

2º - Mais uma vez deixo aqui a imagem de um famoso caçador:
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Ele também era um sádico filho da puta?

3º - Você pode viver sem comer carne? Se sim, você é um sádico também, pois come carne, leite e ovos?
Cara, você precisa interpretar melhor o que eu venho dizendo. Não pensei que seria necessário especificar que não estava me referindo à caça regulamentada e esportiva, uma vez que já havia dito e repetido que tenho conhecimento de que infelizmente esse tipo de caça é um dos poucos e mais eficazes meios de atrair recursos pra conservação. Não neguei nem questionei, apenas lamentei essa realidade. Dessa última vez eu disse apenas que se não fossem os caçadores em si, esses que agem de acordo com a lei sequer teriam o pretexto pra matar várias espécies sem precisar prestar contas com a justiça, tendo em vista que a caça (sim, a caça ilegal) foi um dos principais motivos pra redução extrema do número de indivíduos de tantas e tantas espécies, fazendo com que elas entrassem em risco de extinção e precisassem de esforços voltados à conservação.

Sobre o Mandela, não é porque o cara fez mil coisas boas em sua vida que ele também não tenha tido seu lado escroto. Pensar assim é simplesmente equivocado. Há vários exemplos de personalidades que fizeram o bem das mais diferentes formas mas que também tinham seus defeitos e por eles podiam e podem ser criticados. Portanto, nesse aspecto eu acho sim que ele foi um sádico e filho da puta, o que obviamente também não apaga seus inúmeros e inegáveis méritos.

No mais, estabelecer essa relação entre o abate de animais pra consumo e o abate pelo puro prazer de matar, ao menos dessa forma que está fazendo não faz sentido nenhum. Comer carne por exemplo não é necessariamente uma necessidade de vida ou morte, embora não seja tão fácil quanto dizem substituir com qualidade as proteínas de origem animal fornecidas, em alguns é até preciso recorrer a suplementação injetável ou por cápsulas. Mas é acima de tudo uma necessidade quase comparável a uma dependência química. Boa parte das pessoas relatam que deixar de consumir tudo que tem origem animal é extremamente difícil, quase impossível. Sei que não tem como negar que comendo carne você está automaticamente contribuindo pra um mercado cruel, mas há uma imensa diferença entre fazer isso e matar um animal simplesmente por sentir prazer no ato em si. Nesse sentido, não existe sadismo em consumir carne, a pessoa pode fazer mesmo com um enorme peso na consciência. Já na caça esportiva que estamos discutindo a única motivação é ter o prazer de matar. Não se trata de tirar a vida do animal com esse ou aquele objetivo, na maioria dos casos, acredito eu, o prazer está simplesmente em matar e nada mais. Qual a diferença entre atirar em alvos inanimados e atirar em animais? Sadismo, prazer em espalhar o sangue, em ver o sofrimento de um ser vivo. Por isso que considero uma pratica sadismo e a outra não, embora reconheça que comer carne é alimentar uma industria que promove o sofrimento animal.

Mas você tem todo o direito de achar que quem come carne é sádico também, ou achar que nem isso nem matar a caça esportiva caracterize sadismo. Só acho que a diferença que expliquei é bastante evidente e o que separa o sujeito que come carne mesmo sabendo que de certa forma aquilo é errado dependendo dos seus valores e etc, do verdadeiro sádico e canalha, aquele que, reiterando, tem prazer apenas no ato de matar.
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TAWIRI, AWT, Ivory Orphans and the Friedkin Conservation Fund are out tonight trying to save four starving 1.5 year cubs who are being hunted down by a mob of 150 masai!
The mother had been poisoned some time back, so her 6 cubs were starving. The juvenile male and female killed a cow to feed the pack and they were hunted down and speared.
These lions are starving due to human encroachment and habitat loss. It is a terrible situation.
We hope to save the barely surviving cubs before they are also murdered. We at AWT will keep you updated. Keep us and these cubs in your thoughts this eve.
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~ Ooh Kenya.... Ban hunting and fund these tra-lah-lah programs like Walking with Lions and Lion Guardians with the Maasai, see what happens. Where is the rage with Cecil now, the world is silent because it is not a hunter that puts money in they system but a proof of utter failure of much trumpeted bullshit green preservation without utilization programs... ~

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'Cecil effect’ leaves park’s lion at risk of cull

Bubye Valley Conservancy says it may have to cull 200 lions due to overpopulation and "the Cecil effect"


It is the country where Cecil the lion was killed, sparking international anger against the American dentist who shot him.

The outcry over Walter Palmer’s killing of Cecil drove other big-game hunters away from Zimbabwe, fearful they too would attract the opprobrium of the public. But in what is being described as a side-effect of the affair, Zimbabwe’s largest wildlife area says it now finds itself suffering from an overpopulation of lions.

Bubye Valley Conservancy has more than 500 lions, the largest number in Zimbabwe’s diminishing wildlife areas.

It has warned that its lion population has become unsustainable and that it may even have to cull around 200 as a result of what is being called “the Cecil effect”.

Now Bubye is appealing for other institutions or wildlife sanctuaries to take some of its lions.

Conservationists estimate about half of Zimbabwe’s wildlife has disappeared since Robert Mugabe’s seizure of white-owned land began in 2000, but Bubye has held on by attracting wealthy hunters whose fees support its wildlife work.

But last year’s shooting of Cecil, in a conservancy bordering Hwange National Park, sparked a huge backlash against big-game hunting.
Plummeting oil prices have further led to a drop in the number of visitors from US states such as Texas, from where traditionally large numbers of hunters go to Zimbabwe.

Bubye’s lions are decimating populations of antelope, along with other animals such as giraffe, cheetah, leopards and wild dogs, after the driest summer on record kept grasses low and made the small game easy targets.

Blondie Leathem, general manager of Bubye Valley Conservancy, said: “I wish we could give about 200 of our lions away to ease the overpopulation. If anyone knows of a suitable habitat for them where they will not land up in human conflict, or in wildlife areas where they will not be beaten up because of existing prides, please let us know and help us raise the money to move them.”

In the Forties, there were thought to be as many as 450,000 lions on Earth, but today they are classed as “vulnerable”, with numbers feared as low as 20,000.

Conservationists fear that without a concerted push, particularly in high-risk areas of central and west Africa, their numbers could halve again in the next two decades because of human-animal conflict and reduced habit and food supplies.

Bubye, along with some game parks in neighbouring countries, has been bucking the trend, according to a recent study, with healthy lion populations in “small, fenced, intensively managed, funded reserves”. The conservation area was founded 22 years ago by Charles Davy, the rancher father of Chelsy Davy, Prince Harry’s former girlfriend. It is now majority-owned by Dubai World, the investment fund of the wealthy emirate’s government.

Millions of pounds were spent fencing 2,000 square miles of land previously cleared of wildlife by decades of cattle farming. The fence was then electrified and hundreds of people were hired to protect wildlife imported to the park.

Bubye also supports schools and clinics in several districts and provides meat every month for people nearby.

As well as its lion population, Bubye also has the third-largest community of black rhinos in Africa.

When the Telegraph visited Bubye in early February a matriarch lioness called Matilda, her sisters and her latest litter of cubs were lazing in the shade under mopane trees.

Matilda – which was fitted with a radio collar by the Oxford University researchers that also collared Cecil – eats at least 10lb of meat every day.

Pieter Kat, director of Lion Aid, a UK-based charity, said contraception should have been introduced at the conservancy years ago. “It’s too late now,” he said. “There is nowhere in Africa which could take so many lions.”

Paul Bartels, a wildlife scientist from South Africa’s Tshwane University of Technology, said female contraceptive implants used in smaller reserves would be impractical for Matilda’s clan.

“There are a lot of lions on that [Bubye] conservancy. It would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for contraception to make any real difference,” he said.

Oxford’s lion research project in Zimbabwe, which monitored Cecil, said that the Bubye conservancy was “a huge success story” in a region blighted by a lack of governmental help for its struggling wildlife sector.

Mr Leathem insisted he was not a hunter but a conservationist, and had no option but to maintain “sustainable” hunting to safeguard Bubye’s future.

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Jase Robertson escreveu:'Cecil effect’ leaves park’s lion at risk of cull

Bubye Valley Conservancy says it may have to cull 200 lions due to overpopulation and "the Cecil effect"


It is the country where Cecil the lion was killed, sparking international anger against the American dentist who shot him.

The outcry over Walter Palmer’s killing of Cecil drove other big-game hunters away from Zimbabwe, fearful they too would attract the opprobrium of the public. But in what is being described as a side-effect of the affair, Zimbabwe’s largest wildlife area says it now finds itself suffering from an overpopulation of lions.

Bubye Valley Conservancy has more than 500 lions, the largest number in Zimbabwe’s diminishing wildlife areas.

It has warned that its lion population has become unsustainable and that it may even have to cull around 200 as a result of what is being called “the Cecil effect”.

Now Bubye is appealing for other institutions or wildlife sanctuaries to take some of its lions.

Conservationists estimate about half of Zimbabwe’s wildlife has disappeared since Robert Mugabe’s seizure of white-owned land began in 2000, but Bubye has held on by attracting wealthy hunters whose fees support its wildlife work.

But last year’s shooting of Cecil, in a conservancy bordering Hwange National Park, sparked a huge backlash against big-game hunting.
Plummeting oil prices have further led to a drop in the number of visitors from US states such as Texas, from where traditionally large numbers of hunters go to Zimbabwe.

Bubye’s lions are decimating populations of antelope, along with other animals such as giraffe, cheetah, leopards and wild dogs, after the driest summer on record kept grasses low and made the small game easy targets.

Blondie Leathem, general manager of Bubye Valley Conservancy, said: “I wish we could give about 200 of our lions away to ease the overpopulation. If anyone knows of a suitable habitat for them where they will not land up in human conflict, or in wildlife areas where they will not be beaten up because of existing prides, please let us know and help us raise the money to move them.”

In the Forties, there were thought to be as many as 450,000 lions on Earth, but today they are classed as “vulnerable”, with numbers feared as low as 20,000.

Conservationists fear that without a concerted push, particularly in high-risk areas of central and west Africa, their numbers could halve again in the next two decades because of human-animal conflict and reduced habit and food supplies.

Bubye, along with some game parks in neighbouring countries, has been bucking the trend, according to a recent study, with healthy lion populations in “small, fenced, intensively managed, funded reserves”. The conservation area was founded 22 years ago by Charles Davy, the rancher father of Chelsy Davy, Prince Harry’s former girlfriend. It is now majority-owned by Dubai World, the investment fund of the wealthy emirate’s government.

Millions of pounds were spent fencing 2,000 square miles of land previously cleared of wildlife by decades of cattle farming. The fence was then electrified and hundreds of people were hired to protect wildlife imported to the park.

Bubye also supports schools and clinics in several districts and provides meat every month for people nearby.

As well as its lion population, Bubye also has the third-largest community of black rhinos in Africa.

When the Telegraph visited Bubye in early February a matriarch lioness called Matilda, her sisters and her latest litter of cubs were lazing in the shade under mopane trees.

Matilda – which was fitted with a radio collar by the Oxford University researchers that also collared Cecil – eats at least 10lb of meat every day.

Pieter Kat, director of Lion Aid, a UK-based charity, said contraception should have been introduced at the conservancy years ago. “It’s too late now,” he said. “There is nowhere in Africa which could take so many lions.”

Paul Bartels, a wildlife scientist from South Africa’s Tshwane University of Technology, said female contraceptive implants used in smaller reserves would be impractical for Matilda’s clan.

“There are a lot of lions on that [Bubye] conservancy. It would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for contraception to make any real difference,” he said.

Oxford’s lion research project in Zimbabwe, which monitored Cecil, said that the Bubye conservancy was “a huge success story” in a region blighted by a lack of governmental help for its struggling wildlife sector.

Mr Leathem insisted he was not a hunter but a conservationist, and had no option but to maintain “sustainable” hunting to safeguard Bubye’s future.

Obs:. Links na fonte: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -cull.html
Invade o habitat, altera o nicho ecológico e depois vem dizer que o desequilíbrio é efeito da proibição da caça. A começar que overpopulação meu ovo, o ser humano fodeu a porra do ecossistema inteiro ali, invadiu a merda toda e agora ta incomodado porque o parquinho de diversões que ele criou ta ficando fora de controle. Eu fico desgraçado da cabeça lendo essas coisa.
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Holden escreveu:Invade o habitat, altera o nicho ecológico e depois vem dizer que o desequilíbrio é efeito da proibição da caça. A começar que overpopulação meu ovo, o ser humano fodeu a porra do ecossistema inteiro ali, invadiu a merda toda e agora ta incomodado porque o parquinho de diversões que ele criou ta ficando fora de controle. Eu fico desgraçado da cabeça lendo essas coisa.
bom, se é assim, o que deveríamos fazer com todos os outros animais os quais invadimos seus territórios? o que fazer com todas as populações animais que estão em superpopulação?

não quero dizer que a caça é algo perfeito, só acho que num mundo real e não num de fantasias a caça é o melhor modo de conservação animal.

nesse mesmo exemplo do parque, era algo que estava funcionando, agora vao ter de achar uma outra solução, vão ter de gastar mais, arrecadar menos e etc etc etc

fora ter de sacrificar 200 leões, se chegar à este ponto é claro.

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Estória p boi dormir. Querem é alguma desculpa p liberar a caça novamente.

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Mensagem por Blagoi Ivanoff » 25 Fev 2016 09:38

Falando nisso é aqueles javalis monstros que estão aparecendo na Região de Araçatuba-Sp e Barretos-SP, coisa se louco aquilo.


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Blagoi Ivanoff escreveu:Falando nisso é aqueles javalis monstros que estão aparecendo na Região de Araçatuba-Sp e Barretos-SP, coisa se louco aquilo.


http://g1.globo.com/jornal-nacional/not ... em-sp.html
são fogo,

procriam e espalham muito rápido,

em alguns lugares do BR a caça é liberada,

justamente pra controlar,

os EUA estão no sal com esse problema lá, são milhões e milhões por lá.

australia também tinha, não sei se conseguiram controlar, mas acho difícil que tenham coseguido.

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Mensagem por Urubu Rei » 25 Fev 2016 16:36

Holden escreveu:Invade o habitat, altera o nicho ecológico e depois vem dizer que o desequilíbrio é efeito da proibição da caça. A começar que overpopulação meu ovo, o ser humano fodeu a porra do ecossistema inteiro ali, invadiu a merda toda e agora ta incomodado porque o parquinho de diversões que ele criou ta ficando fora de controle. Eu fico desgraçado da cabeça lendo essas coisa.
Bem isso mesmo.
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Culling to Conserve: A Hard Truth for Lion Conservation

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People that don’t live in Africa tend to learn about wildlife conservation in easy to understand terminology. But safeguarding animal species like lions is often more complex than mainstream media sound bites would have their audiences believe.

The National Post recently reported that management from Zimbabwe’s Bubye Valley Conservancy was considering a controversial move to cull upwards of 200 lions out of a rough population of 500 in order to ensure the reserve’s wildlife biodiversity.

It was also reported that since the growing calls to end trophy hunting, due in large part to the killing of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park last year, conservancies like Bubye are no longer seeing the funding necessary to adequately cover conservation costs, which includes fence maintenance, financing local schools and health clinics, and providing meat to local people.

Given the many challenges conservationists face in Africa, coupled with culling and trophy hunting being such contentious issues, I decided to reach out to Dr. Byron du Preez, a Bubye Valley Conservancy project leader and member of the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit (WildCRU), in the Department of Zoology at Oxford University.

Specifically, I was hoping for clearer answers regarding the potential paradox that increasing calls for hunting bans in Africa have on existing lion populations, and how that may be playing out within the recent culling conundrum.

Fortunately, Du Preez went one step further by clearing up what was initially reported, clarifying the proposed cull, explaining how culling works, and elaborating on the dangers of promoting single species management.

Clarification on the Proposed Lion Cull

I am an independent scientist working on the Bubye Valley Conservancy, focused on lion ecology, which actually means just about every aspect of the ecosystem, such is the influence that lions have. I am neither pro- nor anti-hunting. I simply focus on practical conservation solutions that actually work in the real world.

We are hopeful that we will be able to translocate some lions, although all previous attempts to translocate lions out of the Bubye Valley Conservancy have been derailed by factors entirely out of our control. However, if the species was in as much trouble as the sensationalist reports like to focus on, one would think that it would be a lot easier to find new homes for these magnificent animals than it actually is.

‘There is basically no more space left in Africa for a new viable population of lions.’

The fact remains that habitat destruction is their biggest enemy, and there is basically no more space left in Africa for a new viable population of lions.

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The Science of Culling

A cull is not a once-off fix (neither is translocation, nor contraception), but would be more of an ongoing management operation conducted on an annual basis. When given adequate space, resources, and protection, lion populations can explode, such as they have done on the Bubye Valley Conservancy.

Reducing numbers to alleviate overpopulation pressure does nothing to permanently solve the problem, nor halts the species’ breeding potential; [it] only slows it down for a relatively short time until their population growth returns to the exponential phase once again.

Culling is a management tool that may be used for many species. That includes: elephants, lions, kangaroos, and deer, basically animals that have very little natural control mechanisms other than disease and starvation, and that are now bounded by human settlements and live in smaller areas than they did historically.

As responsible wildlife managers who have a whole ecosystem full of animals to conserve (not just lions), we have therefore discussed culling as an option for controlling the lion population, but have agreed that, for now, this is not necessary just yet and we will continue to try and translocate these animals until our hand is forced.

As already mentioned, there is very little space left in Africa that can have lions but doesn’t already. Also, where lions do occur, especially in parks and private wildlife areas, they often exist at higher densities than they ever did historically.

This is mainly due to augmented surface water supply resulting in greater numbers of non-migratory prey that now no longer limit lion nutrition and energy availability, allowing the lion population to rapidly expand.

For example, successful hunting to feed cubs all the way through to adulthood and independence is one of the greatest stresses for a lion, and often results in dead cubs and reduced population growth. In turn, a high density of lions can severely reduce the density of their prey, ultimately leading to the death of the lions via disease and starvation—far more horrific than humane culling operations conducted by professionals.

The Dangers of Single Species Management

Lions are the apex predator wherever they occur, and as such exert a level of top-down control on the rest of the ecosystem. Lions prey on a wide variety of species, and we are starting to see declines in even the more common and robust prey such as zebra and wildebeest—not to mention the more sensitive species such as sable, kudu, nyala, warthog, and even buffalo and giraffe.

Apart from their prey, lions are aggressively competitive and will go out of their way to kill any leopard, cheetah, wild dog, or hyena that they encounter, and have caused major declines in these species, not just on the Bubye Valley Conservancy, but elsewhere in Africa where lion densities are high.

According to the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN), cheetah are listed as vulnerable, and wild dogs are endangered.

It is easy to simply focus on the number of lions remaining in Africa that has fallen steeply over the last century from ~100,000 to ~20,000 today, but which is directly linked to the reduction in available habitat.

Simply focusing on increasing the abundance of one species at the cost of another cannot be considered a conservation success—assuming that holistic conservation for the benefit of the entire ecosystem is the end goal—no matter how iconic that species is.

Luckily, lions kill lions, resulting in more lion mortality than any other species—including man on the Bubye Valley Conservancy—and in an ideal world the lion population would level off at a putative carrying capacity where lions control their own numbers (deaths from conflict equal or exceed new births). However, it is possible and probable (man-made water points increase the carrying capacity of — and therefore also the competition and conflict between — all wildlife species) that this would still be at the cost of certain other sensitive species.

Ecosystem stability is related to size (and conversely ecosystem sensitivity is inversely related to size) and smaller areas need to control their lion numbers a lot more carefully than large areas such as the Bubye Valley Conservancy, which is over 3,000 square kilometres [1,160 square miles]. In fact, small reserves in South Africa alone culled over 200 lions in total between 2010 and 2012 ,according to the 2013 report from the Lion Management Forum workshop.

Understanding Carrying Capacity

The Bubye Valley Conservancy does not rely on trophy hunting to manage the lion population. I will discuss the economics of hunting in brief. The most recent and robust lion population survey data calculate a current lion population on the Bubye Valley Conservancy of between 503 and 552 lions (it is impossible to get a 100 percent accurate count on the exact lion number — which also changes daily with births and deaths).

Carrying capacity is an extremely fluid concept, and changes monthly, seasonally, and annually depending on all sorts of factors including rainfall, disease (of both predator and prey), and economics.

It is estimated that 500 lions eat more than U.S. $2.4 million each year (the meat value used is a very conservative $3 per kg – compare that to the price of steak in a supermarket, and then remember that the Bubye Valley Conservancy used to be a cattle-ranching area, and if wildlife becomes unviable, then there is no reason not convert it back to a cattle ranching area once again).

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To give the question of carrying capacity a fair, if necessarily vague, answer, I would personally estimate that the upper carrying capacity of lions on the Bubye Valley Conservancy would be around 500 animals—assuming that they are allowed to be hunted and therefore generate the revenue to offset the cost of their predation.

Remember, lion numbers can get out of hand. And if there was no predation, then thousands upon thousands of zebra and wildebeest and impala would need to be culled to prevent them from over grazing the habitat, leading to soil erosion, starvation, and disease.

The ecosystem is a very complex machine and whether anyone likes it or not, humans have intervened with cities, roads, dams, pumped water, fences, and livestock. The only way to mitigate that intervention is by further, more focused, and carefully considered intervention, for the sake of the entire ecosystem.

It is important to bear in mind that the wildlife here, and in the majority of other wildlife areas in Africa (hunting areas exceed the total area conserved by Africa’s national parks by more than 20 percent), does not exist as our, or anyone else’s, luxury.

The Bubye Valley Conservancy is a privately owned wildlife area, or to put it another way, it is a business. The fact that it is a well-run business is the reason why it is one of the greatest conservation successes in Africa, converting from cattle to wildlife in 1994 (only 22 years ago) and now hosting Zimbabwe’s largest contiguous lion population at one of the highest densities in Africa, as well as the third largest black rhino population in the world (after Kruger and Etosha).

This is only possible because it is a business, and is self-sufficient in generating the funds to maintain fences, roads, pay staff, manage the wildlife, pump water, and support the surrounding communities—all extremely necessary factors involved in keeping wildlife alive in Africa.

Michael Schwartz is a freelance journalist and African wildlife conservation researcher. He is also an honorary member of the Jane Goodall Institute and International Institute for Environment and Development’s Uganda Poverty Conservation Learning Group.

Links na fonte: http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/20 ... servation/

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materia muito boa e com muita informação da nat geo

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Jase Robertson escreveu:materia muito boa e com muita informação da nat geo
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Mensagem por cardonelli » 23 Set 2016 11:06

O cara vai caçar de sniper, cheio de acessórios , Atira de longe igual um bunda mole e fica ostentando depois.


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Mensagem por Jase Robertson » 24 Set 2016 08:04

como que vale?

quais os critérios?

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